Stand or Stand Down? Wrestling With the Future.

It’s taken me a few days to gather my thoughts and regroup after Tuesday’s devastating loss for America. Quite a few questions have been raised after America’s loss to Obama: where does the GOP go from here? Do we need to change our message? Do we need to move left? Do we need to be more conservative? Do we need to form a third party?

These are all valid questions and we will be debating these things for many months and maybe even years to come. One thing is for certain – the America we had hoped still existed does not anymore. We have reached the tipping point. So do we stand or stand down? Honestly, I have been wrestling with that. Here’s what I conclusion I came to:

26 Comments

  1. Deb Glaum says:

    Kira –
    Thank you for your lovely and heartfelt message. It is so timely, and puts into words what I think so many feel right now. I hope I don’t sound patronizing, but I am proud of you and how well you communicate your thoughts. Keep up the good work – you are the future of America, a bright light in these dark days. Deb

  2. Cheryl Haws says:

    Thank you for this video as a white female old fart conservative. I so want us to be able to give the vision of which you speak . I am saddened I am afraid but I know that conservative values are those which can uplift & save. Thank you so much for all you do Thank you.

  3. janet says:

    Standing right there with you!!

  4. Haywood Webb says:

    Thanks, Kira.

    It is certainly a time of heartache and turmoil for us. I have been talking the situation through with my wife and other conservatives daily. I think your comments really sum up where we are. Our Bible tells us in Eph 6:13 “…and having done all, to stand.” That is what we must do. We must stand! The battle has been tough but the war is not over.

    Praying for you…

  5. kiff says:

    people see you and don’t want to be like you kira. that’s why you guys lost.

  6. D F Taylor says:

    Something died in me the other night, after what should have been a strong conservative resurgence turned into a grandiose version of groundhog day. I don’t have the energy any more. I’m 63 and I’m tired. I still have my convictions and I won’t change, but now I see the futility, at least for me, in trying to push a positive message. The gimmiedats, gays, ethnic, and women’s special interest groups have won the day and the next four years. I’m sick at heart and soul. I have watched my beautiful America become sick, diseased, and prostituted. I’m done.Just don’t fuck with me unless you want to be done too.

  7. Morpheus says:

    Kira, the right lost on Tuesday for two very important reasons.:

    1) It’s platform is horribly antiquated in the face of an ever-changing America, and 2) the Republican party has been hijacked by extremists that are completely divorced from reality.

    One could argue unequivocally that minorities , women, the LGBTQ community, and virtually every other demographic that is not white and male felt exceedingly marginalized by the message the Republican party offered this election cycle. But what I continue to hear this week from the right in the face of this irrevocable defeat is that the tone needs to change and that the message is fine. They believe they need to find more black and brown people to peddle the “message” in a more attractive manner. This further codifies what I have known to be true for a long time now……..the right simply does not get it. Getting Marco Rubio, Herman Cain, Bobby Jindal or Mia Love to deliver the same message will not cure the ills that currently plaque the Republican party. The MESSAGE, the core principle of what the right offers in contrast to that of the left needs to evolve and change.

    The right began this process with selecting Mitt Romney……a moderate, borderlined-liberal Republican who has made a career of saying whatever he has to get elected to be the voice of unfiltered right-wing conservatism. A Republican mind you, who was the original architect of a health care plan that worked marvelously in the state he served as governor in…….a health care plan that the President adopted as the blueprint for his own health care plan……a health care plan that Romney cannot tout ironically, because his party has agreed to paint it as a draconian measure that will bring forth utter desolation. He goes on, refuses to be transparent, derides nearly half of this country as being government-dependent freeloaders and changes his position on virtually every issue deemed relevant in 2012.

    He claims that a 20% tax cut for all people in the country will not cost nearly $5 trillion dollars, when simple arithmetic proves otherwise. He claims that an economic plan that failed miserably in the 80’s and 2000’s will work today, whilst claiming that an economic plan that worked wonderfully in the 90’s will not work today. His running mate condemns the Obama administration for “stealing” $716 billion dollars from medicare, while his own economic plan cuts the exact same amount of money from medicare directly whilst turning it into a voucher program. He proposes adding $2 trillion dollars to military spending even though high ranking military officials believe it to be unnecessary.The factually inaccurate claims continue to be made and even in the face of those that called him on it, he continues to make the claims anyway.

    State by state polls conducted for months predicted that President Obama would win. These were not partisan constructs that served to be nothing but salubrious for President Obama’s chances at reelection…….figures like Nate Silver, who with 100% accuracy predicted the outcome of the election were simply doing math. Yet figures on the right seemed to be in a denial, almost delusional to the point where they actually believed that Romney was going to win handily. The allergy to empirical data could not have been more clear.

    Conservatives, the time has come to take the red pill, unplug yourselves from the matrix and WAKE THE HELL UP. America has become a multi-faceted entity and your message is now beyond obsolete. It’s also important for the fabric of the country, as nothing but ideas from the left to craft policy will be ultimately harmful. We need a reasonable and rational presence on the right to offer a viable contrast. This leads to meaningful discourse, effective policy and most importantly an effective nation.

    It is now up to the Republicans to decide whether they will continue to obstruct and preclude everything this President proposes to do, or work with him to tackle the huge problems that still face this country.

    He offered up an olive branch before and you burned it in his face. He has offered it up again. What will your decision be? He’s not a one-term President. He’s here to stay for 4 more years. The choice is yours. Adapt to the times or get left behind.

  8. Greg says:

    If we are to continue fighting we must change our tactics. It has been the call of the party and many popular conservatives that we must fight harder and do much of the same that we have been doing. The tactic is fight against the spending and taxing of this administration to prevent the debt cliff and a bankrupt country. But, there are some ideas that this election season brought that we cannot ignore: Just as Morpheus said in his conclusion, most of America blames the republicans in the house for the economic problems of this country or they blame Bush. Because of this, I think, the whole idea of many conservatives to continue to block and prevent the catastrophe that this administrations policies and practices will undoubtedly cause, is a terrible idea. In my view, the larger majority that voted for Obama and the “republicans” who sat out this election in essence have voted in favor of this president’s approach. They have voted to go over the cliff, but they don’t know it…they don’t believe it. They are willfully ignorant of how terrible these policies are. If we continue to prevent the onslaught of taxes and overspending from reaching the American people they will never realize how bad their feel good decisions are. And as long as we do prevent the destruction we will continue to be held as the culprits. The only way this war can be won is by allowing the American people to live with their consequences for long enough that they have no one else to blame and no other explanation to remedy their bad choices as the right thing. If people like Morpheus can’t see that Obama’s “olive branch” is nothing more than poison then we should let them drink it. Sure, things will get bad, but its not like we can really stop it. I would bet that if we continue to block like the plan seems to be, in 2014 the party will be handed another big loss and then most likely they will start to “rethink” their positions and begin trading good policies and beliefs for ones that sound good to voters. That would be just another step towards the downfall of our great country. If conservatives play the long game, if we plan to win the war (instead of small battles) we have to start with holding tightly to our values while letting liberals have their way for a while. Just long enough for the massive unemployment to sink in deep, just long enough for the poverty rates to skyrocket, just long enough for small business’ to close, just long enough for the taxes to hurt everyone, just long enough for the American people to really take a look at the decision they made, then they will WAKE THE HELL UP, because it will be change or perish. America is only as great as its people, and a people who re-elect a president like Barack Obama are not great. To win them back, to make America great again it must be all or nothing, no compromise, no trade.

  9. Haywood Webb says:

    Though history tells us a failed democracy is followed by a dictatorship, and usually much death and destruction, I believe that Greg may be right about the correct course of action at this time. The Lord said to render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s. With the Left having already won the battles of Media and Academia, the “high ground” in this cultural war, I think it would be futile at best to try to convince our fellow citizens that they are wrong about all they are taught and all they see on TV. It will probably be best to fall back. Be good witnesses of the Lord’s love and take care of our own until this house of cards collapses.

    Reading the writing of “Morpheus” shows me how effective the Left’s seizure of academia and media is, both from the alias chosen and the “logic” used in the arguments put forth. This is an excellent example of where the country is today. This is how MOST people think. As time goes on and the Left is more successful in painting any conservative idea as hateful, using their rainbow of “isms” and “phobias,” nothing any conservative pundit, (or preacher for that matter,) could say would be accepted by the ever growing foolish majority.

    We may well be approaching the “catacombs” time period of our nation where believers are driven underground and terribly persecuted. If the only other option is Morpheus’, (change what you believe,) then me and my house are well ready to go underground and let the heathen rage.

    It is sad to see a once great nation foolishly wonder down a path of destruction that it has no clue it is on. However, history tells us it is inevitable.

  10. Ziv Zulander says:

    Morpheus is a perfect example of an over-educated leftist idiot. I’m through trying to get to people like you. Take the government and choke on it. Hope you get every damn thing you want, because when it come crashing down around your ears, I’ll tell you to stuff it.

  11. Morpheus says:

    Over-educated……..that’s new. Thanks, I suppose. The only time I remember anything coming “crashing down” was at the end of Bush 43’s presidency. Figures on the right continue to bring up the point that Obama increased spending when he came into office…..well that’s what you have to do when your predecessor drives the car into a ditch. It’s not going to get lifted out with magic. Furthermore, everyone critical of Mitt Romney and the Republican party are not government-dependent leechers. I work hard for everything I have. I see him for what he was……a moderate political chameleon who could not relate to the vast majority of Americans…..and the very fact that the Republican party went to such lengths to make him their nominee highlights just one of the glaring problems that they currently have.

  12. EastPhilly says:

    The new paradigm includes growing the size of government and increasing its influence in more aspects of our lives along with more deficit spending, with no real intent to cut the debt. That is what I am supposed to get behind in this new age ?

    • Morpheus says:

      @ EastPhilly, you don’t have to capitulate to it 100%. I classify myself as a progressive independent, and I don’t agree with everything President Obama did in his first term. But the message that the right continues to peddle without apology needs to change if they hope to survive as an entity over the next 20 years. 11/6 was a wake up call in a major way…..kind of like a 2×4 across the temple. The Republican Party would do itself (and the country) good to wisen up and adapt to the ever-changing times.

  13. Martin says:

    Hey Morpheus, you and others on the left keep mentioning Romneycare. As if that justifies Obamacare, the worst law ever written in modern America. Even if you believe in national healthcare, it is so poorly written and bloated even the people who wrote the law admit it is stinking mess.
    And it was deemed unconstitutional by the Supreme Court, but Dems didn’t give a damn about that.

    And besides, one big difference between Romneycare and Obamacare is that Romneycare is a STATE law. Meaning if you don’t like it, you can move to another state. Obamacare? You got nowhere to go now. States rights is a concept that has been all but destroyed by the likes of you.
    All Hail King Obama

    • Morpheus says:

      “And it was deemed unconstitutional by the Supreme Court”

      I’m not sure which Supreme Court you’re talking about, but the one I know of upheld the constitutionality of the PPACA on June 28, 2012. Get your facts straight and then come back and see me.

    • Martin says:

      Oh Morpheus. You are a piece of work. What did Justice Roberts do? He rewrote the law by taking it out of the Commerce Clause. Why would he do that? If it was totally constitutional, then it would have passed by just like it did the other left-wing justices, who by the way could care less about constitutionality. (There are interviews of some of the justices saying as much, and it shows) He then drops it into the tax code, automatically making one of the biggest tax hikes in history. So now we have a bad idea, written badly and unconstitutional, made constitutional by the Chief’s handy work, turned it to a monster tax, and is now ready to ruin whatever healthcare system we had. And yes, I’ll take our crappy system over 6 month wait times, which is just around the corner. But it’s “free”. Yay. And I notice you didn’t refute my other points which means you just got served. Bye-bye. Maybe next time.

    • Morpheus says:

      “You are a piece of work.”

      I could just as easily say the same thing about you.

      “As if that justifies Obamacare, the worst law ever written in modern America.”

      No, that title goes to the now defunct Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell policy, the most draconian piece of legislation ever conceived by man……and I’m thankful to God Almighty that it is gone.

      “And besides, one big difference between Romneycare and Obamacare is that Romneycare is a STATE law. Meaning if you don’t like it, you can move to another state. Obamacare? You got nowhere to go now.”

      That’s a ridiculous argument. So we shouldn’t reform our clearly broken health care system because people who don’t approve of it would have no place else to go? National health care reform, no matter the flavor would have applied to each and every American. The costs of providing care to people without insurance are crippling this system without question. Furthermore, Romneycare worked tremendously well in Massachusetts. Citizens of that state can to attest to this……and the fact that Romney chose to run from arguably his mot noble achievement when he was governor is part of the reason why he lost that state in the election.

      “What did Justice Roberts do? He rewrote the law by taking it out of the Commerce Clause.”

      Last time I checked, Chief Justice Roberts is a conservative judge appointed by none other than former President George W. Bush. So if you want to blame someone for his actions, blame him. None of the liberal justices rewrote the law.

      “So now we have a bad idea, written badly and unconstitutional, made constitutional by the Chief’s handy work, turned it to a monster tax, and is now ready to ruin whatever healthcare system we had.”

      This is absolutely remarkable to me. Anything that the President comes forward with is a bad idea…….despite the fact that the individual mandate ingrained in both Obamacare and Romneycare is a REPUBLICAN concept in principle! It was proposed by the highly conservative Heritage Foundation in the early 90’s! Obama actually caught heat (and is still catching heat) from figures on the left because they wanted a single payer system. Obamacare is not a bad idea, as evidenced but the fact that it worked in Massachusetts. It is in fact constitutional regardless of your assertions as a result of the ruling made on June 28, 2012…..and projections say that it will actually have a salubrious effect on our healthcare system.

      “And yes, I’ll take our crappy system over 6 month wait times, which is just around the corner.”

      Our crappy system is in desperate need of reform. This is the first viable & successful effort towards that goal in almost 80 years. Get with the program.

      “And I notice you didn’t refute my other points which means you just got served. Bye-bye. Maybe next time.”

      I didn’t take the time to do so because you started off by saying that the PPACA was unconstitutional, which gave me the impression that you didn’t know what you were talking about. Since then I have obliged your request and addressed your points. If you have a retort, feel free to give it at anytime.

    • Martin says:

      Morpheus, every time you retort your argument gets weaker and weaker. Believe what you want. This law bears little resemblance to ANY healthcare law or proposal. Sure, some things are the same, but then again you and I have 90% the same DNA as a carrot. It’s the details that count. And there are 2,700 pages of them.
      Even if you believe in national healthcare, this is a severely flawed law. If you look at ANY country with a large pop. that has national healthcare you see extremely long wait times, rationing and a general malaise when it comes to innovation. Sure it’s “free” but good luck getting any care. More importantly, whenever the government gets more power in something this huge it can’t be a good thing. Your state healthcare argument goes around this whole idea. But then again you probably think the Gov is the answer to most things. Hope your right because thats where we’re headed. We had better hope that history won’t repeat itself when it comes to socialism’s failures.

      It’s implied? And your argument about Don’t Ask Don’t Tell. Weeeeaaaaaaaaaaaakkkkkkkkkkk. Explain to me how a law that was Clinton’s attempt to move the military towards allowing gays but still acknowledging the cultural realities, in any way rises to the level of importance we are talking about?
      Sorry just isn’t nearly as important. Social changes happen over long periods of time. Get over it. And it eventually changed didn’t it? When it comes to government programs, they only get bigger and more intrusive. They rarely if ever get reformed or cut significantly. The left wins on both fronts.
      Personally, I am more or less socially liberal. The big picture is all I’m concerned with. And it doesn’t look good.

      Over and out. This is boring me now

    • Morpheus says:

      I was bored yesterday. Welcome to the club.

  14. Bryan says:

    I think the GOP should stand firm. They should not change a thing. If fact, they should should double down on their proposed policies and narratives from the 2012 campaign. What the GOP need is a pure conservative candidate, one who will not compromise or give an inch on anything. They need elevate Tea Party leaders like Mr. West.

    • Morpheus says:

      “I think the GOP should stand firm. They should not change a thing.”

      I could not disagree more. Change could not be more important for the GOP at this point in their history.

      “If fact, they should should double down on their proposed policies and narratives from the 2012 campaign.”

      If the GOP wants to be become obsolete, anachronistic and suffer more political losses in the future, then yes by all means they should repeat their strategy from 2012.

      “What the GOP need is a pure conservative candidate, one who will not compromise or give an inch on anything.”

      The candidate will be irrelevant if the general message does not change…..and it’s really stupefying to me that the GOP has not yet figured this out given the shellacking they received two weeks ago.

      “They need elevate Tea Party leaders like Mr. West.”

      Yep, that’s exactly who they need. Figures who tell the President of the United States and Senate majority leader to get the hell out of the U.S, and accuse a stunning majority of Democrats of being communists. That’s exactly what the GOP needs to dig themselves out of the hole they are currently in.

  15. Phil says:

    I am a Black Conservative, and I’m here to tell ’ya the GOP is dead in the water. America is now fully immersed in an era of transfer of wealth. The legions of entitlement-class proponents have overwhelmed “the haves” and voted themselves into a faux — and indeed ephemeral — prosperity.

    … and wealth not earned will soon be squandered.

    The “haves” will now give until the “haves” no longer have (economic collapse) … or the “haves” refuse to give (revolution).

    While I have no idea whatsoever what the future of this country holds, the fact that I (and many others) are now doubtful should give us pause. In the least, I feel foreign powers are “fixing bayonets” and have the American “paper tiger” in their sights.

    Deuteronomy 28:49
    The Lord shall bring a nation against thee from far, from the end of the earth, as swift as the eagle flieth; a nation whose tongue thou shalt not understand;

  16. Martin says:

    “No, that title goes to the now defunct Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell policy, the most draconian piece of legislation ever conceived by man……”

    Weak. Whatever dude. That was Clinton anyway.

    “That’s a ridiculous argument. So we shouldn’t reform our clearly broken health care system because people who don’t approve of it would have no place else to go?”

    Weak retort as well. Ridiculous? Who said we can’t reform healthcare? Did I say we should leave it as is? Of course it needs reform. It ALWAYS will! It will always be a mess. But that doesn’t justify this stupid law.

    “Furthermore, Romneycare worked tremendously well in Massachusetts. Citizens of that state can to attest to this……”

    Hmmm. So move to Mass. Problem solved. I like the idea of being able to chose a state that reflects my views. And if a particular law works so well, then other states can adopt the law. Everyone wins. You get your state run healthcare and I get to keep the Commerce Clause, which limits the government’s power. Many see the Commerce Clause as a roadblock. And they came damn close to nullifying it. And to me, this issue trumps all. We can certainly survive as a nation without Obamacare. (We are still here aren’t we?) But we can’t survive as a Representative Republic if we give government nearly unlimited power. It can’t be done.

    “Last time I checked, Chief Justice Roberts is a conservative judge appointed by none other than former President George W. Bush. So if you want to blame someone for his actions, blame him. None of the liberal justices rewrote the law.”

    Ok, this is the weakest point yet. None of the Liberal Justices rewrote because? They don’t care!!! Constitution? Commerce Clause? Who cares?!. They love this kind of junk. And Roberts is not a conservative. Either was Bush. Kennedy is a moderate Justice and he said basically what I said above in previous answer. Roberts likely made a clumsy attempt to save the Commerce Clause, while not bringing a world of hurt upon the court by striking down whole law. He split the difference. And we know there would have been hell to pay from the left. Because thats what they do.

    “This is absolutely remarkable to me. Anything that the President comes forward with is a bad idea…….”

    ??? Who said that?

    “Despite the fact that the individual mandate ingrained in both Obamacare and Romneycare is a REPUBLICAN concept in principle!”

    Yawn. If it violates the Constitution, I could care less who came up with what. Besides you are cherry picking. Obamacare and what Heritage proposes is in no way the same thing. Not even close. And the individual mandate doesn’t take up 2,700 pages of crap.

    ” Obama actually caught heat from figures on the left because they wanted a single payer system.”

    This is like shooting fish in a barrel now. Obama had both houses! They wrote and passed the stupid…. nevermind

    “Obamacare is not a bad idea, as evidenced but the fact that it worked in Massachusetts. It is in fact constitutional regardless of your assertions as a result of the ruling made on June 28, 2012…..and projections say that it will actually have a salubrious effect on our healthcare system.”

    Projections? You mean by the same people who wrote the law? Thats good for a laugh. Costly and inefficient, while slowly killing the motivation to profit from innovation. If this Frankenstein law is a wild success, then it will be only by the Grace of God. Though I do hope I’m dead wrong because guess what? We got no choice now! Thanks dude.

    • Morpheus says:

      “Weak. Whatever dude. That was Clinton anyway.”

      Excellent retort. Bravo. In any case, Clinton was by no means a perfect President…….DOMA & DADT are among the blemishes on his significant but limited legacy.

      “Of course it needs reform. It ALWAYS will! It will always be a mess. But that doesn’t justify this stupid law.”

      The “stupid law” was proposed by figures on the right and worked in one state in the U.S. Case closed, end of story.

      “??? Who said that?”

      You didn’t have to say anything. It’s implied. Everytime this President has proposed a idea that has had conservative and/or Republican origins, people have jumped down his throat without compunction.

      “Obamacare and what Heritage proposes is in no way the same thing.”

      The similarities outnumber the differences. BOTH leave in place the major insurance systems: employer-provided insurance, Medicare for seniors and Medicaid for the poor. BOTH seek to reduce the number of uninsured by expanding Medicaid and by offering tax breaks to help moderate income people buy insurance. BOTH require people to buy insurance or pay a penalty, a mechanism called the “individual mandate.”……and BOTH dictate that companies that don’t offer insurance have to pay fines, with exceptions for small business and a few other cases.

      “This is like shooting fish in a barrel now. Obama had both houses!”

      And the Democrats in both houses wanted a single payer system, which was totally different from what President Obama proposed. This is a moot point.

      “We got no choice now! Thanks dude.”

      You can choose to buy health insurance if you want. And you’re welcome.

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